Such abandonment would necessarily deprive her of consort, clothing and food and implicate her as an adulteress, the only valid reason for her status as divorced. I had a huge spiritual awakening in my bedroom in april 2009 of this year and I believe that I have become born again in the spirit. It could have just as easily been provided by the saucer people, or the lizardmen from the fifth dimension. Feminist is a dirty word to some people because they associate it mainly with abortion. You have been taught by the Catholic Church he was God and it has spilled into the other sects of Christianity, but the funny thing is NOT ALL CHRISTIANS BELIEVE HE WAS GOD!! And they are confused and running with the devil to confuse other human beings whether they know it or not. ~ two becomes one flesh) to further a viewpoint is not good, and is just self-serving. It appears that the Christian polygynous fundamentalist belief system incorporates many practices of ancient Judaism which are not currently practiced in most Christian denominations. You say “teachings”; I can assume one of these is polygyny, but are there others? Not participating weakens the military capabilities of the country and puts everyone in jeopardy. Through weekly Friday chats, we learned what sovereign grace was all about. Who decides this, you? And Ashur the father of Tekoa had two wives, Helah and Naarah. I prefer to trust in the Holy Roman Catholic church established by Jesus Christ and guided by the Holy Spirit. If the latter, then let that be where the discussion remains, and let’s leave our opinions out of it. Rick has already stated that he is willing to reject any amount of scientific evidence if the bible contradicts it. They needed and relied on each other. Just a thought.. That sounds an awful lot like maneuvering for the ability to sleep with other women. I guess this one will be able to take his sexual frustrations out on his wife, instead of upholding the tradition of using the altar boys. where the body of men although made perfect wasnt made compleat, and thats why jesus didnt have a wife, but men need a wife. No. And what happened? I assume you’re arguing from the standpoint of some other absolute rather than your own desires? 2:18, Genesis 2:21-25, 1 Cor. Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is THE SAME YESTERDAY AND TODAY AND FOREVER. not divorced). Polygamy is the topic that will cause you to reconsider your faith? Scripture teaches us that whoever does NOT divorce his wife and marries another does NOT commit adultery. 16 Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil. So instead of hiding to visit prostitutes or use porn etc men take on more women. If you draw any other conclusion from Scripture than this you are allowing your clouded opinion of the matter guide you. I would propose, Rick, that 2 Sam 7-8 is not necessarily suggesting that David was to take Saul’s wives to be his own, but rather that he should become their guardian. Idios, by contrast, implies shared joint ownership, that is, ownership of a particular thing by more than one person. You will be able to ask questions, and be able to know for yourself what this is all about for today’s believer. I have been a Spirit filled Christ follower for 13 years, and in the past 5 years I have REALLY began to question “society’s” or “religious” view point of a man only having one wife. Accepting other Bible versions. There were many other ceremonial laws as well, and this included things like dietary regulations (e.g. i never even seen the law address the topic of two single people having sex in the this book, which is the book of law. A Comparison of Family Functioning, Life and Marital Satisfaction, and Mental Health of Women in Polygamous and Monogamous Marriages, John R. Graham i know it to be true. After listing the various forms of sexual sin, the chapter ends, Maachah, Caleb’s concubine, bare Sheber, and Tirhanah. If there is no absolute morality, there is only majority rules. God is within His rights to determine whether certain sins mandated a more immediate capital punishment or if in this world they were only to be met with retribution or corporal punishment. Did I trust in him for Salvation? Become feminist lesbians? And yes, does not every woman in her inner most being have the God given need to be desired by a man, and to have him desire her and enjoy each other during times of physical intimacy? Charlene, we are not Israelites but whose values to you suppose the Jerusalem Church refers to in acts when advising the gentile churches? This is just an example to show what I am driving at. In the context of their knowledge, the Jews that Jesus was speaking to would have interpreted his Words like this: “Don’t think that just because you have not had sex with your neighbor’s wife you have not committed adultery. While I disagree with both mainstream and fundamentalists, I have more respect for the fundamentalists… while at the same time acknowledging the mainstream are more fun at parties. Keep in mind that the ESV Study Bible said that the Scriptures never encouraged polygyny. So much for your education in science. I know I already used that one. He never contradicted the Law and it was the LAW in fact that saved to woman in the final analysis. In general that is going to be more extremist types than more libertarian live and let live types. Hi I understand the methodology, the difficulty partially in how far you have to extrapolate data in any said study. After years of researching and watching this type of marriage structure firsthand, the only drawbacks for those that engage in this lifestyle (and live in a scripturally based manner) are the ungodly actions and reactions of those that oppose it. Another may be, as in the case of some kings, to be lovers and consorts to the man, giving him pleasures that his betrothed wife cannot for whatever reason. Just believe I may believe a couple of things that the Mormons also believe does not make me a Mormon, for example. Had it been considered a sin, it would be clearly stated thus. I have made mention here in the past that I haven’t been to church in a while. It does say “flesh”. Or maybe we’re schizophrenic. Or do you see those as a natural reaction to the frustrations of Churchiosity in America? Of course most men are in favor of owning & having multiple sex partners LOL! what about birth control ? (consider the above information and item 3 below) Then, it is all turned around “for the better” by having the equivalent of a mormon elder stop by the person’s door. The link to the CBC News article is below. Differences have been noted concerning senior and junior wives in a polygamous marriage. I did. You are young in the faith so walk slowly and carefully. Polygamy is ALLOWED by GOD! They were and are apocalyptic in nature, and still exist today. Men had total control over women …..they were their “property” to do with what they wished…..just like owning cattle or horses. Those who make this kind of objection may find this information helpful. Meanwhile, the average Jewish person gives more weight to the old testament (particularly the Torah) because he/she does not believe that there ever was a Christ. I still do not have the answers, but hey, you sound like you do because you know everything right? It is very safe to say that bisexuality with distinct drives for each gender is directly related to polygyny. This email notification thingy is pretty neat. Obviously God isn’t that good at his pruning of the population because he let through Hitler, Stalin, and Ronald H. Paquin. I claim squatter’s rights on this thread, if not the whole site as well. to uppity woman. Charlene, we are not Israelites but whose values to you suppose the Jerusalem Church refers to in acts when advising the gentile churches? Not very “equal” for the man, correct? In other words, a man might say, “That is MY wife, she belongs to me and me ALONE”. Rick, keep up the good work. The idea is, we can not just assume God is against polygamy, if there is no legitimate reason for such a belief. That’s a bad analogy. Rejecting the gender roles as inherent in Creation and codified in the Scriptures isn’t going to solve anything. So much for women knowing what’s best about what God’s Heart on an issue is. If you have a problem with the marriage-as-slavery/women-as-property thing, congratulations, you’re more moral than God (most people are, but typically only atheists/humanists are wise enough to admit it). Aims: The present study is among the first to consider within the same ethnoracial community such essential factors as family functioning, life satisfaction, marital satisfaction and mental health functioning among women who are in polygamous marriages and women who are in monogamous marriages. A bisexual is a person attracted to both males and females for sexual encounters. The ceremonial and judicial laws of ancient Israel are not. Does it apply to a wife chosen for bondage after death? (i.e. I have finally, after 5 months, found a baptist church with which I feel comfortable. As such, it is a religious matter or a personal matter. If you read back in this blog you will see much of the explanation for this and many verses and examples to prove this from Scripture. A husband and wife certainly become “one,” but there is nothing that limits a husband from being “one” with a plurality of women. men need marriage. People put to much emphasis on Jesus pbuh when they should be putting their faith in Elah/God who he called upon who sent Jesus pbuh as a messenger and prophet. Hitler, Stalin, Castro, and Mao are all nice examples of a grand scale dictatorship. “Abraham married his half sister and then gave her away to a king without informing the king Sarah was his wife. I took my vow KNOWING that there was no sin in polygyny, but instead out of love for my wife who only recently has come to understand that it is acceptable. The battle against marital delay is one that requires that you Those of Greece? I haven’t read all the comments, but if “uppity” is against polygamy, I would love to read answers to verses that are showing polygamy, right now the intelligent, logical, side of the conversation is for polygamy, the other side unfortunately is just a large amount of random thoughts with verses quoted out of context. Arguing from the exception doesn’t hold. Why? Ten! 13.My divine I find that in considering at times, an additional wife, I probably put the brakes on as much if not more so than my wife does. Now the issue of vows can be quite a tricky mine field and I would appreciate some good cousel on these matters because I am just being honest with the type of questions that have arisen in my mind. That Belshazzar had multiple wives, though? Agreed, if I worked simply for gain. Is the observance of Passover, Succoth, Shevout and other Jewish festivals required ? There is thus little room for argument about what division of the law is in mind here. Ecclesiastes 12:11) The words of the wise are like prodding goads, and firmly fixed [in the mind] like nails are the collected sayings which are given [as proceeding] from one Shepherd. It was nice, very nice and quite appealing to be honest. (and Ephesians 4) You are being carried away by false teachings and tossed about. My church does not have a Calvinistic soteriology, but no one would be unwelcome over that. As a result, I understand marriage better. Even Jesus — the sinless Lamb — depicts Himself as a husband meeting ten virgins to wed. Church leadership? I gave this analogy to her ‘ If you had a new computer game that was very difficult to play, wouldn’t it be better to check the instruction manual before turning it on and jumping straight in? Yes, it is the specific purpose of eternally torturing them. You have placed yourself in a position of being the Judge of God instead of Him being your judge. This was the covenant of circumcision, which was intended to separate the people of Israel from her gentile neighbours. Numbers 30 deals a bit with the issue of vows and it seems there are some revockable Vows ? Therefore, they reason, the husband couldn’t be “owned” by another wife at the same time, since he would then be shared property. That person would be thinking, “I can date a man or a woman, but I really want both at once.” No. But because of whoring, let each one have his own [1438] wife, and let each woman have her own [2398] husband. I believe that homosexuality is abominable, but I’m not ignorant enough to not see what would happen if marriage is redefined at the civil level to include homosexual unions. What if – The atrocities that you point out that our evil God lets happen are god is beyond all our discription of understanding.” even though your not likely to ever find it. dedication working against me and my marriage die by fire in the name of Jesus, 22.Any curse How do we know who we should be accountable to, and what if they teach false doctrine? sorry please correct this sentence as this “However, the Bible itself does not have a prohibition of poligamy.”, Rick. The consequences could potentially lead to repetition of past atrocities (witch burnings, slavery, and unnecessary wars, anyone?). Hard ceasation is not so good either, my church has a kind of ‘soft ceasation’ where they do not believe things have stopped but are going to put any supernatural event under severe scrutiny (which is not necessarily a bad thing). Are you ever rebuked? iii) You are not alone – Infact Solomon, the wisest man ever confessed he could not understand the way of a man with a maid ! For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church. Surely, since the bible states that god placed the holy spirit into every man, and with it knowledge of the law, we can rely on our own senses of morality when it comes to such topics, as well as the scriptures when looking at it from a biblical perspective. “Suffice it to say that Old Testament patriarchs don’t impress me”. For me, that was church. It is really confusing for me. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. JAS 3:1 Not many of you should presume to be teachers, my brothers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. There was a time when a married woman had no problem bringing her best friend to her husband and allowing him to also take her as his wife. If a draft is ever instituted, well, that just reinforces the fact that soldiers are slaves of the state. Now, had it come at the end of the post. 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